"The only good thing which we owe to Plato and Aristotle is that they brought forward many arguments which we can use against the heretics. Yet they and other philosophers are now in Hell. An old woman knows more about the Faith than Plato."
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comments="I really enjoy your site but I must pose a question that I believe you have overlooked.
I reviewed your info that you placed about your mother and I am sorry for her early departure into Heaven.
I can tell your deepest respect for her and your trust of her life into the arms of God. On that note however I must bring up the point that a large portion of your choice of poetry does not go in accordance with the laws of the Bible.
The poems on "Breasts" and many others of sexual nature are in direct conflict with the commandments from the Bible. Out of respect for God and His Word, as well as out of respect for your mother, I would ask that you reconsider the posting of such material for all to read.
I see that your religion is Catholicism and with mine being Christianity I hope that you can see my point. With warmest regards in Christ, robert..."
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I do not think God will begrudge me my little webpage. My mom, when she was alive, told me she liked it. I knew full well when I posted these pages I was doing so in public and so gave much thought to what I included. Many are the famous passages from Plato, Plutarch, the Bible, etc. which exemplify all that I find best in the spiritual and intellectual. On the other hand, I think that needed to be balanced by some general randiness and good gut humor. I would like to appeal to the mind and intellect, but I would not forget other parts of human anatomy closer to the ground. I apologize if some of the more explicit material on my webpage did not agree with your palate, but I reckon you never get the rose without the thorns. Such is life; deal with it.
Believe me when I tell you I posted nothing to this webpage merely to titillate or exploit. For example, you will see no hardcore pornographic pictures of women who appear as if they were undergoing a gynecological exam. To the contrary, I posted tasteful pictures of naked women and sexually explicit poems which spoke to my heart and elsewhere - art which burns brightly with the fire of physical passion and sensuality! One of my favorite passages from "Breasts" by Charles Simic (to which you object so much) is the following:
Robert, I respect and learn from the parables of Jesus and wisdom of the Old Testament, but that is hardly my ONLY frame of reference. If you can persuade me without relying ONLY on Christianity and the Bible, I would consider taking those pictures and poems down. Otherwise, they stay proudly posted to the general public under the aegis of my own domain. We are in part spiritual creatures whose souls aspire towards the heavens, but we are also passionate animals with earthy desires and passions. I always found the sickly-sweet Saint Augustine message of inclining overly towards the Kingdom of God over the Kingdom of Man to go too far! I pity men like Augustine and Tolstoy who pass through lusty youths only to discover a convenient chastity and asceticism in their dotage! I never did agree with Saint Jerome that the "devil is in the loins"! A temperate and rational individual can enjoy the pleasures of this earth without being destroyed by them; but I think a man who flees from his passions must live in fear of himself. Praise for the soul need not entail contempt for the flesh.
For my part, I take pleasure in looking on the form of a beautiful woman and cannot think this to be anything but healthy and normal! I hope to continue reading famous love poetry as long as I possess the strength to lift a book to eye-level! When doing so, I hope to feel my heart start beating a little faster -- even upon my deathbed! I would not snuff the healthy enjoyments of this world with a single-minded contemplation of the next. Instead of the medieval monasteries I find inspiration in ancient Athens; and perhaps you understand me better now.
Think about what you are asking me to do and why. Think about those who have used similar reasoning in the past! The religious fanatic Girolamo Savonarola commanded many volumes of "corrupt" Latin and Italian poets to be burnt as heretical during the Renaissance, including that of Boccaccio. A committed enemy of the ideas of ancient antiquity and arts which made his native Florence great, this zealot fed his "Bonfire of the Vanities" with every kind of theatrical device (re: carnival costumes, wigs, playing cards, musical instruments, etc.) and not a little fine art (consequently lost to us). The fiery and eloquent Dominican monk Savonarola also drained the lifeblood from Sandro Botticelli's ebullient art with his hysterical message of hellfire and damnation. But today Botticelli's beautiful nudes and the radiant humanism of the other Florentine painters and poets of the Renaissance liberally litter my website, and they are welcome -- and the other black-and-white nudes and attendant poems I have chosen follow in the same spirit. The objection to such photographs and poetry emerges today from countries like Iran where theocrats reign and here in the United States from some fundamentalist Christians. Religious idealism -- when taken to an extreme -- is as oppressive as it is uncompromising. When you equate the law of mankind with the Law of God, you have a prescription for disaster. Look at Iran today! Look at Florence under Savonarola!
Where would this insistence that all be God-like and obedient to the Word end? Many ecclesiastical authorities have historically sought to discourage the reading of Shakespeare with the same reasoning, claiming there are bawdy scenes in his plays not appropriate for the young and honorable and examples of villains and perfidy shocking to the righteous. It is the specter of imperious popes ordering the nudes in Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel to be painted over with fig leafs and robes covering genitalia and breasts. I reject this! It is in part God I am extolling when I showcase the beauty of His creation and take pleasure in its enjoyment. God created a world with both good and evil, darkness and light - and I would not change that even if it were in my power! Let a man cast his eye where he might, and let his conscience only dictate what is "blasphemous" and to be avoided. But I see nothing blasphemous in my site, and I challenge you to show me otherwise.
D.H. Lawrence said that pornography is the attempt to insult sex, to cast dirt on it. I would not deign to do that! But Lawrence was also correct when he claimed that what is pornography to one man is the laughter of genius to another. He should know, as his novel "Lady Chatterley's Lover" was legally banned in the comparatively liberal United States for many years by busy fools who could not understand that despite a host of four-letter words there was not one single obscenity in that great book of redemption through sexual love. But I reckon some people will not recognize the forest for the trees.
I trust this message finds you well out there in Alabama.
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:36:02 -0600
From: Trust Jesus (firstname.lastname@example.org)
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To: Richard Geib (email@example.com)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Feedback and or Questions
Hi Richard. My only basis for the question posed is the Bible and my belief in a supreme God who has set standards of right and wrong and those He passed along to us in the form of the Bible from His own hand. Outside of that I know nothing about humanity except that it's basic motive is only selfishness. I understand your view though on the material in question and excluding the Bible as the basis for argument I would have to concede to your view that man should enjoy beauty in all forms and without regard for a standard of right and wrong.
I appreciate your responding to me so quickly.
Have a great week.
In Christ Jesus, robert....